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class=\"css-8atqhb\"><p class=\"css-1hyokyd e1wtpvyy0\">Ruth Graham has covered religion and faith for more than a decade.<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><ul class=\"css-1cgskve epjyd6m4\"><li class=\"css-ccw2r3 epjyd6m3\"><time dateTime=\"2025-03-06T09:03:24-05:00\" class=\"css-1gu861y e16638kd2\"><span class=\"css-1sbuyqj e16638kd3\">March 6, 2025<\/span><span class=\"css-233int e16638kd4\">Updated <span class=\"css-epvm6\">9:03 a.m. ET<\/span><\/span><\/time><\/li><\/ul><\/div><\/div><\/div><section name=\"articleBody\" class=\"meteredContent css-1r7ky0e\"><div class=\"css-s99gbd StoryBodyCompanionColumn\" data-testid=\"companionColumn-0\"><div class=\"css-53u6y8\"><p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">In the two years since Aaron Renn moved to Carmel, Ind., he has become a kind of unofficial booster for the unusual suburb of Indianapolis.<\/p><p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">For Mr. Renn, Carmel is proof that \u201cwe can have an America where things still work.\u201d Run by Republicans for decades, with the same mayor from 1996 to 2024, the city has built big and beautifully, often in traditionalist architectural styles. The streets \u2014 bikeable and walkable \u2014 are almost eerily free of trash. Police officers enforce traffic laws strictly, and drivers behave with a noticeable lack of aggression. It\u2019s Mayberry, or Bedford Falls.<\/p><p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">I traveled to Carmel in February to talk with Mr. Renn about the ideas that had made him a new star in conservative Christian intellectual circles. But we ended up spending almost as much time talking about the city. Mr. Renn arranged a tour of the Palladium, a huge limestone state-of-the-art concert hall inspired by classical Greek and Roman temples. He led me into an elaborately decorated local cake shop that he pointed out had received attention from Oprah Winfrey and Disney. Over lunch at a \u201cseasonally influenced\u201d restaurant nearby, he pulled out a sheet of typed notes he had prepared, reminding him of all the other qualities of the city that he wanted to mention.<\/p><p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"> Mr. Renn loves city life, and has lived in Manhattan, Chicago and Indianapolis. Carmel is different. Here, church bells chime full hymns over the town square. It\u2019s a place where it\u2019s easy to forget Mr. Renn\u2019s best-known idea: his warning to Christians that America is in an era of distinct hostility to believers like them, and that they must gird themselves to adapt to, as the title of his recent book put it, \u201cLife in the Negative World.\u201d<\/p><\/div><aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"><\/aside><\/div><div data-testid=\"Dropzone-1\"><\/div><div class=\"css-s99gbd StoryBodyCompanionColumn\" data-testid=\"companionColumn-1\"><div class=\"css-53u6y8\"><p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Renn\u2019s schema is straightforward. Modern American history, he argues, can be divided into three epochs when it comes to the status of Christianity. In \u201cpositive world,\u201d<em class=\"css-2fg4z9 e1gzwzxm0\"> <\/em>between 1964 and 1994, being a Christian in America generally enhanced one\u2019s social status. It was a good thing to be known as a churchgoer, and \u201cChristian moral norms\u201d were the basic norms of the broader American culture. Then, in \u201cneutral world<em class=\"css-2fg4z9 e1gzwzxm0\">,\u201d <\/em>which lasted roughly until 2014 \u2014 Mr. Renn acknowledges the dates are imprecise \u2014 Christianity no longer had a privileged status, but it was seen as one of many valid options in a pluralist public square.<\/p><p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">About a decade ago, around the time that the Supreme Court\u2019s ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges made same-sex marriage legal nationwide, Mr. Renn says the United States became \u201cnegative world." 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He chose Indiana University because he was a fan of their sports teams, and majored in finance because he wouldn\u2019t have to take a foreign language. After graduation, he moved to Chicago and began working for Anderson Consulting, which later became Accenture.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":16},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"At Anderson, Mr. Renn stood out as a \u201cvery alive person,\u201d his supervisor at the time, Frank Modruson, recalled. Mr. Modruson introduced his young employee to the opera, and Mr. Renn quickly became a devotee, reading the libretto before each performance.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":17},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"Once over dinner in the early 2000s, Mr. Renn unspooled a grand indictment of Chicago\u2019s city government that left Mr. Modruson feeling unnerved about the city\u2019s future. He said that a few years later, as the city\u2019s woes were becoming conventional wisdom, he read a similar article in a magazine, and recalled thinking, \u201cAaron could have written this two years ago.\u201d Mr. Renn, he said, is someone who is often thinking about things that other people catch up with later.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":true,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":true,\"bad\":false,\"index\":18},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"College had not been \u201csome great mind-expanded experience,\u201d Mr. Renn said, but living in Chicago was. 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Mr. Keller held that Christianity was politically neither right nor left, and that the church could minister and appeal to urbanites without compromising its core beliefs.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":21},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"Mr. Renn, who had always been politically conservative but dipped in and out of serious faith, was convinced. He sought out a church in Chicago and settled in, following a trajectory described by the 20th-century sociologist E. Digby Baltzell: The typical American is born a Baptist or Methodist, becomes a Presbyterian once he is educated, and then, after ascending to the heights of economic success, \u201cjoins a fashionable Episcopal church in order to satisfy his wife\u2019s social ambitions.\u201d\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":true,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":true,\"bad\":false,\"index\":22},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"Mr. Renn was married for eight years in Chicago, a relationship he has a policy of not talking or writing about, explaining that it\u2019s \u201cnot a good look.\u201d What he does write about with some frequency is the fact that \"},{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[{\"__typename\":\"LinkFormat\",\"title\":\"\",\"uri\":null,\"url\":\"https:\\u002F\\u002Fwww.aaronrenn.com\\u002Fp\\u002Fnewsletter-40-what-to-do-when-your\"}],\"text\":\"women initiate a distinct majority of divorces\"},{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\".\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":true,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":true,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":23},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"In the wake of his divorce, Mr. Renn said, he was in a low moment professionally and personally. He credits his recovery in part to the \u201cmanosphere,\u201d the sprawling network of masculinity influencers that he identified as a serious cultural phenomenon long before it burst onto the national political scene. From a podcast hosted by the right-wing social-media personality Mike Cernovich, he learned about strength training, and began feeling better about his body. From another influencer, he honed his eye contact, a skill he said he was still \u201cmaybe not the best at.\u201d He said this just as I was thinking to myself that it was so intense I wasn\u2019t sure how or when to look away.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":24},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"As an evangelical, Mr. Renn began wondering why contemporary American churches had so little to say about so many fundamental realities he was encountering. Online dating was a marketplace, and it turned out that nice Christian women wanted more than a nice Christian guy, contrary to the shallow dating advice of megachurch pastors. Evangelical churches lamented divorce even as they criticized the same forms of traditional masculinity that the manosphere was instructing him to hone, in order to improve his marriage prospects.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":25},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"\u201cThese guys have cracked the code on reaching young men, and they\u2019re actually giving a lot of practical advice,\u201d Mr. Renn said. \u201cAnd by the way, some of the things that the church is telling these guys is just wrong.\"},{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[{\"__typename\":\"ItalicFormat\",\"type\":null}],\"text\":\"\u201d\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":true,\"bad\":false,\"index\":26},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"This realization led him to further questions. Was Mr. Keller right about the evangelical church\u2019s place in 21st-century American culture? 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Students, alumni and faculty at the liberal seminary quickly protested, because Mr. Keller\u2019s denomination does not ordain women or L.G.B.T.Q. people. The school backed down, and Mr. Keller ultimately delivered a lecture but did not receive the prize. 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He had only gotten about halfway to that figure in October when Mr. Dreher\u2019s boost brought in more than 1,000 new subscribers.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":true,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":29},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"Mr. Renn\u2019s description of the contours of \u201cnegative world\u201d range widely, and include the spread of sports gambling, legalized drug use and even tattoos. But the framework might not have electrified evangelical America if not for the perception on the right of a new secular orthodoxy around sex, gender and race. When you ask someone who embraces the term to discuss their own experiences in \u201cnegative world,\u201d the answer is almost always connected with this cluster of issues.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":true,\"bad\":false,\"index\":30},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"For James Wood, now an assistant professor of religion and theology at Redeemer University in Ontario, the \u201cnegative world\u201d concept immediately resonated. Mr. Wood had been deeply influenced by Mr. Keller; he bought all the groomsmen in his wedding party a copy of one of the pastor\u2019s books, and named his dog Keller. Mr. Renn helped him conclude that the pastor\u2019s approach was right for \u201cneutral world,\u201d but insufficient for \u201cnegative world.\u201d\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":true,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":31},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"\u201cI felt it didn\u2019t face up to this reality, that it didn\u2019t provide the resources to stand firm in the face of increasing hostility, where you\u2019d be called hateful,\u201d he said.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":32},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"Many Christians were used to being called \u201cstupid\u201d for their supernatural beliefs, he said. But when it came to being called hateful and hurtful for holding the same beliefs about marriage and sexuality that they held for decades, \u201cI don\u2019t think a lot of Christians were ready for that stuff.\u201d\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":true,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":33},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"When Mr. Renn adapted his newsletter essay for First Things in 2022, Mr. Wood contributed a response that was also discussed widely within evangelicalism: \u201c\"},{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[{\"__typename\":\"LinkFormat\",\"title\":\"\",\"uri\":null,\"url\":\"https:\\u002F\\u002Ffirstthings.com\\u002Fhow-i-evolved-on-tim-keller\\u002F\"}],\"text\":\"How I Evolved on Tim Keller\"},{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\".\u201d\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":true,\"bad\":false,\"index\":34},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"On the Christian right, then, a thesis is emerging: If conservative Christians are no longer a \u201cmoral majority\u201d but a moral minority, they must shift tactics. They ought to be less concerned with persuading the rest of the country they are relevant and can fit perfectly well in secular spaces. They don\u2019t. Instead, they must consider abandoning mainstream institutions like public schools and build their own alternatives. They must pursue ownership of businesses and real estate. And they must stop triangulating away from difficult teachings on matters like sexuality and gender differences. 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It\u2019s far too early, he says, and the \u201cvibe shift\u201d is too fragile. But he says he does see a clear new openness to Christianity among some people, and a broader course correction to the right.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":true,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":53},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"\u201cThe Overton window of what you can say and do is much wider,\u201d Mr. Renn said. People on the left are more comfortable criticizing what they describe as the excesses of diversity and inclusion programs, for example. And Mr. Renn noted that when an employee of Elon Musk\u2019s Department of Government Efficiency resigned following the discovery of racist online posts he had made in 2024, Vice President JD Vance wrote online that the man should be reinstated, referring to the posts as \u201cstupid social media activity.\u201d\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":true,\"bad\":false,\"index\":54},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"Mr. Renn condemned the employee\u2019s racist posts. But he said the context for forgiving the employee was important, coming after years in which, he claimed, \u201cyou could say anything you wanted about white people, but you could have your life destroyed for anything slightly out of line regarding minorities.\u201d\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":true,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":55},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"It is a familiar theme: Things may be bad, but liberals started it. The election of Mr. Trump as president is only possible in \u201cnegative world,\u201d Mr. Renn said. In \u201cpositive world,\u201d an extramarital affair tanked Gary Hart\u2019s presidential campaign. In \u201cneutral world,\u201d Bill Clinton was damaged by his infidelity but survived politically. In \u201cnegative world,\u201d with the safeguards of \u201cChristian moral norms\u201d out the window, it was too late for liberals to make any coherent critique of Mr. Trump\u2019s open licentiousness.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":56},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"\u201cThe very people who were the most supportive of tearing down all the old moral standards and rules of fine society that they didn\u2019t like are the ones who are most horrified by Donald Trump,\u201d he said, with what looked like a flash of satisfaction. \u201cYou think you\u2019re going to get a multi-culti paradise or something, and instead you get Donald Trump.\u201d\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":true,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":false,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":false,\"bad\":false,\"index\":57},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"He would prefer to return to a culture of shared social norms: against racism, but also against the cruel, the tasteless, and the boorish. But he\u2019s not counting on it. The broad erosion of the old moral order is probably permanent, in his view. The pushback in the 1980s against the liberal excesses of the \u201960s and \u201970s did not undo the sexual revolution. The task for Christians of adapting to \u201cnegative world\u201d remains urgent.\"}],\"textAlign\":\"LEFT\"},{\"__typename\":\"Dropzone\",\"adsDesktop\":false,\"adsDesktopHoldout\":true,\"adsHybrid\":false,\"adsMobile\":false,\"adsMobileHoldout\":true,\"bad\":false,\"index\":58},{\"__typename\":\"ParagraphBlock\",\"content\":[{\"__typename\":\"TextInline\",\"formats\":[],\"text\":\"In Carmel, however, it was possible to glimpse a slice of \u201cneutral world,\u201d where all are welcome but \u201cthere\u2019s no shame in being a conservative Christian.\u201d After lunch, Mr. Renn drove me around his new hometown and pointed out the city\u2019s religious diversity: The Coptic Orthodox church, the synagogue shared by two congregations, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints temple, the Muslim coffee shop. He mentioned the city\u2019s meager but growing minority population, too. 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